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7 Jan 2022

16:13:32 From Frode Hegland : https://www.dropbox.com/s/rwg3rgbvla1tisj/Expert%20Interviews%20Transcripts.pdf?dl=0
16:14:13 From Mark Anderson : Thanks!
16:16:39 From Peter Wasilko : Thanks so much, I hope we can read your final dissertation when you are at liberty to share it too, Frode!
16:24:44 From Frode Hegland : https://youtu.be/0Y1Kb9y-_B0
16:26:22 From Frode Hegland : That video is Edgar in VR for only the second time. He is moving blocks and one is stuck behind a real-world door
16:28:38 From Frode Hegland : Alan: Documents, VR experiences and literacies
16:32:40 From Frode Hegland : I can see how Apple’s ‘continuity’ will be important.
16:35:08 From Brandel Zachernuk : Peter: Did you see my word processor and the image browser? https://youtu.be/LxviGskApcw?t=313
16:35:41 From Peter Wasilko : Brandel: Not yet.
16:35:46 From Frode Hegland : And ‘university control’
16:36:12 From Frode Hegland : Universal control
16:38:10 From Alan Laidlaw : https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/10/john-carmack-sounds-a-skeptical-note-over-metas-metaverse-plans/
16:45:27 From Mark Anderson : We often refer to words as (an accurrate) proxy for thoughts but how accurate is that mapping, even within a given language? Is there research on this? I worry that we too readily start counting countable things whilst assuming we’ll remember they are not a full and accurate mapping.
16:45:49 From Brandel Zachernuk : I strongly recommend Mike Alger’s videos on the subject Adam: https://twitter.com/MikeAlgerXR
16:46:39 From Brandel Zachernuk : I’m a big fan of ‘lazy billboarding’ – having things ease toward your view, since so many space / depth cues are confounded by immediate, absolute billboarding
16:46:58 From Frode Hegland : I think VR since more is shared, less AR, in actual use… I think it will be OS wars with bridges, since its expensive to build the infrastructure. Look at meta giving up on own. Hence VMVR need. Relationships will matter even more-where things are and go and connect etc. (memory palace and so on)
16:47:40 From Adam Wern : Frode: The counter-force to different platforms is WebXR
16:51:07 From Peter Wasilko : I’d love to have ‘Name Tag’ labels overlaid on top of people in AR.  I hate forgetting names at conferences.
16:52:50 From Alan Laidlaw : Via Brandel: https://virtualrealitypop.com/designing-for-the-human-body-in-xr-e9ac88931e45
16:55:01 From Alan Laidlaw : Branded, request: write out some of these terms please so I can research them. I got varifocal surface, pancakes lenses – but you started out with a term, a mergence conflict?
16:55:20 From Alan Laidlaw : Brandel* (autocorrect in overdrive)
16:57:32 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://xinreality.com/wiki/Vergence-Accommodation_Conflict
16:57:37 From Alan Laidlaw : To Frode: all in the same space is same argument as working in the office. At some point, being forced to be in the same room (virtual or not) will feel “traumatic”
16:57:54 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://uploadvr.com/half-dome-3-prime-time/
17:01:30 From Frode Hegland : “being forced to be in the same room (virtual or not) will feel “traumatic”” that will be for meetings, SUPER important not be be there all the time
17:05:41 From Adam Wern : The difference between a saved “3D document” vs saved “3d space”
17:06:44 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://hu.ma.ne/news
17:06:58 From Brandel Zachernuk : http://creativeselection.io/
17:07:10 From Brandel Zachernuk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xImAMe32Itg
17:07:20 From Brandel Zachernuk : (Oral history of Ken Kocienda and Richard Williamson)
17:07:21 From Alan Laidlaw : https://www.amazon.com/Almost-Perfect-W-Pete-Peterson-ebook/dp/B003XKNWUE
17:08:35 From Brandel Zachernuk : Tesler’s 1997 talk is a great primer on the pain and suffering for VR UI development in the coming decade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-atKrg0T4
17:08:38 From Mark Anderson : Most of my library (Amazon just for ease) https://www.amazon.co.uk/ideas/amzn1.account.AHBBZEUCA7VIW5WIKO4GNV2IZE6A?ref=idea_yil_tab
17:09:20 From Frode Hegland : Brandel, I can’t find Ken’s book
17:12:41 From Frode Hegland : https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07F18HYX3/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
17:12:54 From Mark Anderson : Frode: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Selection-Inside-Apples-Process/dp/152900473X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=NHBTX1DT81RW&keywords=creative+selection+ken+kocienda&qid=1641575540&sprefix=Creative+Selection%2Caps%2C43&sr=8-1
17:12:59 From Brandel Zachernuk : Bridle had a great post about some features of physical books way back: https://booktwo.org/notebook/bookcubes/
17:14:10 From Alan Laidlaw : Tinder for borkworms
17:14:13 From Alan Laidlaw : bookworms
17:14:33 From Frode Hegland : Yes! Let’s Tinder for books ‘Book Burning!’
17:15:40 From Alan Laidlaw : lol
17:16:02 From Frode Hegland : Hey Keith, here for the wrap up! :-)
17:16:22 From Peter Wasilko : Hi Keith
17:16:23 From Alan Laidlaw : Off record: I’m talking w Google in an hour about a UX role. Any advice, suggestions, warnings welcome. I have no idea what its about
17:16:44 From Frode Hegland : Let’s brainstorm with recording off maybe Alan?!
17:18:22 From Peter Wasilko : https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/software-visualization
17:18:45 From Keith Martin : Going from experiences friends have had working with Goggle (and one who has a brother working there), Google depts tend to be organises as fiefdoms, and people (managers) chop and change between them a lot, which can make things feel like they run hot and suddenly cold.
17:19:09 From Frode Hegland : My experience too Keith, from interacting with them, good point
17:19:29 From Keith Martin : (Sorry I’m late – still technically working! Got waylaid.)
17:19:34 From Alan Laidlaw : Would love to, Frode
17:19:36 From Frode Hegland : :-)
17:19:56 From Adam Wern : That is why why I want a VR library (like the the cylinder I mocked up last call) – as anchors for different ideas and resources
17:20:23 From Mark Anderson : Capturing code from screen – interesting, but might end like this:
17:21:04 From Alan Laidlaw : I need this Ken something Safari’s works, talks or book.
17:21:13 From Brandel Zachernuk : Oh yes, now I remember – it’s about how unimportant books are vs. $1,000 phones or tablets. Things need to be cheap enough to be manipulated cavalierly
17:21:35 From Alan Laidlaw : Mark, I love this library structure. I have a massive list on amazon as well, but not organized
17:21:51 From Mark Anderson : NFT rooms?
17:23:51 From Mark Anderson : Invention of zero!
17:23:58 From Brandel Zachernuk : I can barely use notation – Victor has a great post on it: http://worrydream.com/KillMath/
17:24:00 From Frode Hegland : Feyman diagrams
17:24:12 From Peter Wasilko : I prefer to read the LaTeX source code for maths figures.
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